Comments on: Homeschooling German Family Awarded Political Asylum in U.S., Where is U.S. Media? http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=10888 In Defense of Reason and Common Sense... For the Sake of God and Country Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:55:19 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Ulrich http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=10888&cpage=1#comment-16747 Ulrich Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:28:47 +0000 http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=10888#comment-16747 att Kym B. Said *** Apparently so, by your suggestion the Romeike’s should have moved to another EU country. (While the countries of the EU are united in some aspects, the fact remains that they are still independent countries. It is vastly different from your simple analogy of moving from one U.S. state to another.) *** Where did you got that from?? *** It is vastly different from your simple analogy of moving from one U.S. state to another. *** It will be astonishing but as a European I have more rights than the typical US citizen where it comes to that, I can enter and live in each nation ot the EU as I see fit. Now you can't live for free outside your nation. As far as I am informed an American who wants to leave the USA has still to pay income tax for 12 years. (But than that can be a misunderstanding from my side.) att. Mc Kingley Springer *** But then I saw something about the average home-schoolers perform 35% better than public-schoolers in the USA. *** Now as you are going to school in Germany, how would you compare the level of education at the german public school in comparison to the US one? *** I’m in a Realschule (High School) here in Germany ... *** Oh, a Realschule is a High School, now than I understand the level in the public schooling in USA. I thought the High School would have been something similar to the Gymnasium. att Warner Tod Huston *** But this issue is not about whose schools are better but which culture allows its citizens the freedom of religious conviction. *** Aha, and where did you got the impression or information from that you can not choose as you want. Oh, how surprising you are allowed to choose another one as your parents want you to hold. Ulirch S. / Germany att Kym B. Said

*** Apparently so, by your suggestion the Romeike’s should have moved to another EU country. (While the countries of the EU are united in some aspects, the fact remains that they are still independent countries. It is vastly different from your simple analogy of moving from one U.S. state to another.) ***

Where did you got that from?? *** It is vastly different from your simple analogy of moving from one U.S. state to another. *** It will be astonishing but as a European I have more rights than the typical US citizen where it comes to that, I can enter and live in each nation ot the EU as I see fit. Now you can’t live for free outside your nation. As far as I am informed an American who wants to leave the USA has still to pay income tax for 12 years. (But than that can be a misunderstanding from my side.)

att. Mc Kingley Springer

*** But then I saw something about the average home-schoolers perform 35% better than public-schoolers in the USA. ***

Now as you are going to school in Germany, how would you compare the level of education at the german public school in comparison to the US one?

*** I’m in a Realschule (High School) here in Germany … ***

Oh, a Realschule is a High School, now than I understand the level in the public schooling in USA. I thought the High School would have been something similar to the Gymnasium.

att Warner Tod Huston

*** But this issue is not about whose schools are better but which culture allows its citizens the freedom of religious conviction. ***

Aha, and where did you got the impression or information from that you can not choose as you want. Oh, how surprising you are allowed to choose another one as your parents want you to hold.

Ulirch S. / Germany

]]> By: Kym B. http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=10888&cpage=1#comment-16634 Kym B. Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:36:40 +0000 http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=10888#comment-16634 I disagree with llama entirely, especially the line about "This judge has made a fool out of himself." The judge did not allow politics i.e. U.S./German relations to influence or dictate his decision. Enough said on that point. Additionally, did you miss this portion of Mr. Huston's article? "This isn’t the only case of a German family facing the wrath of state sponsored schools negating the rights of parents to guide their own children’s education. In 2009 the Wunderlich family had their children seized by French officials at the behest of German authorities for the family’s violation of official German schooling policies." Apparently so, by your suggestion the Romeike's should have moved to another EU country. (While the countries of the EU are united in some aspects, the fact remains that they are still independent countries. It is vastly different from your simple analogy of moving from one U.S. state to another.) I disagree with llama entirely, especially the line about “This judge has made a fool out of himself.” The judge did not allow politics i.e. U.S./German relations to influence or dictate his decision. Enough said on that point.

Additionally, did you miss this portion of Mr. Huston’s article?

“This isn’t the only case of a German family facing the wrath of state sponsored schools negating the rights of parents to guide their own children’s education. In 2009 the Wunderlich family had their children seized by French officials at the behest of German authorities for the family’s violation of official German schooling policies.”

Apparently so, by your suggestion the Romeike’s should have moved to another EU country. (While the countries of the EU are united in some aspects, the fact remains that they are still independent countries. It is vastly different from your simple analogy of moving from one U.S. state to another.)

]]> By: llama http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=10888&cpage=1#comment-16377 llama Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:57:47 +0000 http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=10888#comment-16377 This only shows how badly the education of US judges is. You should expect a US judge to know that Germany is in the European Union and all Germans are automatically European Union citizens and allowed to settle anywhere in the European Union. They could for example have moved a two hours drive south from where they lived, to german speaking Austria. There homeschooling is allowed. Or to any of the other European Union countries where homeschooling is allowed. If you live in Ohio and are not content with a law there - do you apply for asylum in Norway or would you move to, let's say Indiana or Pennsylvania first? This judge has made a fool out of himself. This only shows how badly the education of US judges is. You should expect a US judge to know that Germany is in the European Union and all Germans are automatically European Union citizens and allowed to settle anywhere in the European Union. They could for example have moved a two hours drive south from where they lived, to german speaking Austria. There homeschooling is allowed. Or to any of the other European Union countries where homeschooling is allowed.

If you live in Ohio and are not content with a law there – do you apply for asylum in Norway or would you move to, let’s say Indiana or Pennsylvania first?

This judge has made a fool out of himself.

]]> By: Home School Diploma | Home School Diploma http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=10888&cpage=1#comment-16292 Home School Diploma | Home School Diploma Sat, 30 Jan 2010 03:01:17 +0000 http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=10888#comment-16292 [...] This seems odd since it is quite an interesting story where it concerns international relations. The HSLDA says that this ruling is “embarrassing for Germany.” That may be but the rest of the media is silent. Read more… [...] [...] This seems odd since it is quite an interesting story where it concerns international relations. The HSLDA says that this ruling is “embarrassing for Germany.” That may be but the rest of the media is silent. Read more… [...]

]]> By: Warner Todd Huston http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=10888&cpage=1#comment-16259 Warner Todd Huston Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:15:07 +0000 http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=10888#comment-16259 Thanks for your message, Mr. Springer. I agree with you when you say our schools are not very good. I think it's worse than that, though. U.S. schools are some of the worst in the civilized world. Homeschoolers in the USA do, indeed, have much, much higher levels of achievement in education. It shows how bad our schools are. But this issue is not about whose schools are better but which culture allows its citizens the freedom of religious conviction. America allows that, Germany doesn't. THAT is an embarrassment for Germany. Thanks for your message, Mr. Springer.

I agree with you when you say our schools are not very good. I think it’s worse than that, though. U.S. schools are some of the worst in the civilized world. Homeschoolers in the USA do, indeed, have much, much higher levels of achievement in education. It shows how bad our schools are. But this issue is not about whose schools are better but which culture allows its citizens the freedom of religious conviction. America allows that, Germany doesn’t. THAT is an embarrassment for Germany.

]]> By: McKinly Springer http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=10888&cpage=1#comment-16252 McKinly Springer Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:28:26 +0000 http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=10888#comment-16252 Oh, and I living in Bietigheim-Bissingen too. I forgot to add that. Oh, and I living in Bietigheim-Bissingen too. I forgot to add that.

]]> By: McKinly Springer http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=10888&cpage=1#comment-16250 McKinly Springer Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:23:51 +0000 http://www.therealitycheck.org/?p=10888#comment-16250 I'm a citizen of the USA (Iowa) and I'm 16 and have been doing a foreign exchange for the past 5 months (I go home in August). I read about this in the Bietigheimer Zeitung (Bietigheimer Newspaper) of the same Bietigheim-Bissingen, Baden-Württemberg and, of course, they had a completely different feeling about this entire happening. The only thing from Mike Donnelly that they quoted was that "It is embarrassing for Germany." And my host-dad told me that it is embarrassing for me, as an American, that a high-level-official would say something like that. I then looked up the facts about homeschooling in the USA (i.e. 91% are Christian, 37.5% of the parents have a Bachelor's Degree, 16.75% have their Master's Degree...and so on) and told them to him. He said, "And the other precent isn't probably educated and no one can control what they are learning...blahblahblah." I don't know what to say. It's proven, that through time, as the education of a population is increased, their is a decrease in religion and the belief in a higher power. That is definitely so here in Germany. I'm in a Realschule (High School) here in Germany and one difference is that you have to take some sort of religion class BASED ON WHAT YOU BELIEVE. So, I'm Protestant and I go to a Protestant religion class and the Catholics are in their own class and the rest (Jews, Muslims, Non-Believers) are in their on class in Ethic. There is no separation of Church and State here in Germany, and nevertheless I'm the most active person in my religion class (coming from a country with 76% Christians) being a strong Christian myself. In America, our public schools are definitely not the best in the world, especially when you compare them to German schools. But then I saw something about the average home-schoolers perform 35% better than public-schoolers in the USA. Peace, McKinly I’m a citizen of the USA (Iowa) and I’m 16 and have been doing a foreign exchange for the past 5 months (I go home in August). I read about this in the Bietigheimer Zeitung (Bietigheimer Newspaper) of the same Bietigheim-Bissingen, Baden-Württemberg and, of course, they had a completely different feeling about this entire happening. The only thing from Mike Donnelly that they quoted was that “It is embarrassing for Germany.” And my host-dad told me that it is embarrassing for me, as an American, that a high-level-official would say something like that.
I then looked up the facts about homeschooling in the USA (i.e. 91% are Christian, 37.5% of the parents have a Bachelor’s Degree, 16.75% have their Master’s Degree…and so on) and told them to him. He said, “And the other precent isn’t probably educated and no one can control what they are learning…blahblahblah.” I don’t know what to say.
It’s proven, that through time, as the education of a population is increased, their is a decrease in religion and the belief in a higher power. That is definitely so here in Germany. I’m in a Realschule (High School) here in Germany and one difference is that you have to take some sort of religion class BASED ON WHAT YOU BELIEVE. So, I’m Protestant and I go to a Protestant religion class and the Catholics are in their own class and the rest (Jews, Muslims, Non-Believers) are in their on class in Ethic. There is no separation of Church and State here in Germany, and nevertheless I’m the most active person in my religion class (coming from a country with 76% Christians) being a strong Christian myself.
In America, our public schools are definitely not the best in the world, especially when you compare them to German schools. But then I saw something about the average home-schoolers perform 35% better than public-schoolers in the USA.
Peace,
McKinly

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