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	<title>Comments on: If You &#8216;Feel&#8217; Educated&#8230; You Are</title>
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	<description>In Defense of Reason and Common Sense... For the Sake of God and Country</description>
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		<title>By: ssazer</title>
		<link>http://www.therealitycheck.org/2008/04/13/if-you-feel-educated-you-are/#comment-2248</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 21:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read the comments of my fellow students, and I admire the restraint they have managed to show in replying to your article. I, however, can exhibit no such respect for some no-name columnist who has the gall to mock and insult high-school students. The people whom you have publicly insulted are my friends, and they don't deserve your cruelty, as small-minded and unimportant as you are. It may shock you to learn that the kids you spoke of are much more intelligent than you will ever be, and they have at least learned common decency. My friend Alex Kaufman, for example, may have been denied admission at certain schools, but he got a 2340 on the SATs, or a 1550 out of 1600 (what did you get?) and is a member of the Massachusetts state championship Mock Trial team. He is also a National Merit Scholar. Danush Rabinowicz (whom you referred to as Danny) is a highly intelligent student who is fluent in Spanish. Both he and Alex will be attending top-notch colleges next year (Washington University in St. Louis and Clark University, respectfully). Clearly, they have achieved much over their high school careers. You, on the other hand, are a no-name columnist who has chosen to spend his time mocking kids, of all people, on websites only read when they publish an article as ridiculous as yours. And with all due respect (i.e., none), you, Mr. Warren Todd Huston, are ridiculous. And to answer your question, 1861-1865. Now write me a paper on the causes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read the comments of my fellow students, and I admire the restraint they have managed to show in replying to your article. I, however, can exhibit no such respect for some no-name columnist who has the gall to mock and insult high-school students. The people whom you have publicly insulted are my friends, and they don&#8217;t deserve your cruelty, as small-minded and unimportant as you are. It may shock you to learn that the kids you spoke of are much more intelligent than you will ever be, and they have at least learned common decency. My friend Alex Kaufman, for example, may have been denied admission at certain schools, but he got a 2340 on the SATs, or a 1550 out of 1600 (what did you get?) and is a member of the Massachusetts state championship Mock Trial team. He is also a National Merit Scholar. Danush Rabinowicz (whom you referred to as Danny) is a highly intelligent student who is fluent in Spanish. Both he and Alex will be attending top-notch colleges next year (Washington University in St. Louis and Clark University, respectfully). Clearly, they have achieved much over their high school careers. You, on the other hand, are a no-name columnist who has chosen to spend his time mocking kids, of all people, on websites only read when they publish an article as ridiculous as yours. And with all due respect (i.e., none), you, Mr. Warren Todd Huston, are ridiculous. And to answer your question, 1861-1865. Now write me a paper on the causes.</p>
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		<title>By: South Student</title>
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		<dc:creator>South Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Huston,

You have a couple good points, but some very weak arguments.

Let me begin by saying, however, that your latest post shows much maturity and improvement. I personally commend you for your willingness to check yourself and to soften some of the article's unnecessary severity. But I still think that there are some ideas here worth debating even at this point.
The US education system is in need of repair. Yes. We are quickly being overtaken by, as you put it, "the rest of the civilized world." Absolutely. But I would contend that this is not because of things like gender studies, not only because of my own firm belief that these are fields worth pursuing, but also because the facts simply do not point to them as the culprit. Oxford, McGill, Uppsala and Edinburgh all have some kind of gender studies department in some form or another (I assume these count as part of "the rest of the civilized world"). If you can point to new fields like gender studies as the cause of our education crisis, I can point to the role religion plays in our country. We'd both be merely speculating. One very concrete reason for Europe's success in training professionals is that the education system over there is far more concerned with preparing its graduates for a very specific career from a very early age. This brings me to my next point.
At the risk of sounding wishy-washy, I have to tell you that your idea of success is rather cynical. First of all, the attacks on students that found the Wall cathartic were as misguided as they were insulting. Acceptance into every college of choice does not display intelligence, prudence, or success. It displays cowardice – an unwillingness to take a risk and apply to a college at which the odds appear unfavorable. I would be surprised to learn that you yourself were accepted into every school to which you applied (and if you were, I think you should look back to your high school days and ask yourself if there was a college you had considered but dropped due to selectivity – what if you had applied... and succeeded?). More importantly (and this is where my bleeding heart may begin to show), acceptance does not make a prestigious career, and a prestigious career most certainly does not make success. Depression and unhappiness hit doctors, lawyers, and CEOs just as hard as they hit nurses, paralegals, and secretaries, and a janitor can accomplish more in his lifetime than the Defense Secretary. Success is extremely subjective and devilishly intangible, and it's impossible and unwise to boil it down to a game of numbers and names. The problem is that a lot of kids (most of which end up attending fine institutions) do boil it down to an unhealthy degree and view themselves as failures simply because they have been rejected from the colleges that are almost universally viewed as statistical impossibilities for just about everyone. We can't all be übermenschen – but that doesn't make us failures. Perhaps I can't completely reverse your perspective, but I hope I have at least illuminated the Wall's place in a success-obsessed community such as ours.
Finally, I'd like to bring up, as many of my peers already have, your use of bad grammar as evidence of stupidity. Simply put, you are wrong. The examples you cited were technicalities, especially given that these kids were speaking aloud. When people ask me how I am and I respond, "well," they usually ask me, "well, what?" Kids and (educated) adults alike. I don't have perfect grammar every time I open my mouth; I'm sure you don't either – nobody is that articulate. Your own essay contained multiple errors, which I would only have noticed and which only would have mattered to me had I wanted to be hypersensitive about it, as you were with the students. That you even brought the grammar up was a low blow and a distracter from the students' very real and respectable points, as well as a testament to your lack of actual evidence to back up your heavy-handed allegations against a perfectly harmless and functional ritual in my high school.
I look forward to hearing a response.

Respectfully,
Carlos Lorant, Newton South High School Class of 2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Huston,</p>
<p>You have a couple good points, but some very weak arguments.</p>
<p>Let me begin by saying, however, that your latest post shows much maturity and improvement. I personally commend you for your willingness to check yourself and to soften some of the article&#8217;s unnecessary severity. But I still think that there are some ideas here worth debating even at this point.<br />
The US education system is in need of repair. Yes. We are quickly being overtaken by, as you put it, &#8220;the rest of the civilized world.&#8221; Absolutely. But I would contend that this is not because of things like gender studies, not only because of my own firm belief that these are fields worth pursuing, but also because the facts simply do not point to them as the culprit. Oxford, McGill, Uppsala and Edinburgh all have some kind of gender studies department in some form or another (I assume these count as part of &#8220;the rest of the civilized world&#8221;). If you can point to new fields like gender studies as the cause of our education crisis, I can point to the role religion plays in our country. We&#8217;d both be merely speculating. One very concrete reason for Europe&#8217;s success in training professionals is that the education system over there is far more concerned with preparing its graduates for a very specific career from a very early age. This brings me to my next point.<br />
At the risk of sounding wishy-washy, I have to tell you that your idea of success is rather cynical. First of all, the attacks on students that found the Wall cathartic were as misguided as they were insulting. Acceptance into every college of choice does not display intelligence, prudence, or success. It displays cowardice – an unwillingness to take a risk and apply to a college at which the odds appear unfavorable. I would be surprised to learn that you yourself were accepted into every school to which you applied (and if you were, I think you should look back to your high school days and ask yourself if there was a college you had considered but dropped due to selectivity – what if you had applied&#8230; and succeeded?). More importantly (and this is where my bleeding heart may begin to show), acceptance does not make a prestigious career, and a prestigious career most certainly does not make success. Depression and unhappiness hit doctors, lawyers, and CEOs just as hard as they hit nurses, paralegals, and secretaries, and a janitor can accomplish more in his lifetime than the Defense Secretary. Success is extremely subjective and devilishly intangible, and it&#8217;s impossible and unwise to boil it down to a game of numbers and names. The problem is that a lot of kids (most of which end up attending fine institutions) do boil it down to an unhealthy degree and view themselves as failures simply because they have been rejected from the colleges that are almost universally viewed as statistical impossibilities for just about everyone. We can&#8217;t all be übermenschen – but that doesn&#8217;t make us failures. Perhaps I can&#8217;t completely reverse your perspective, but I hope I have at least illuminated the Wall&#8217;s place in a success-obsessed community such as ours.<br />
Finally, I&#8217;d like to bring up, as many of my peers already have, your use of bad grammar as evidence of stupidity. Simply put, you are wrong. The examples you cited were technicalities, especially given that these kids were speaking aloud. When people ask me how I am and I respond, &#8220;well,&#8221; they usually ask me, &#8220;well, what?&#8221; Kids and (educated) adults alike. I don&#8217;t have perfect grammar every time I open my mouth; I&#8217;m sure you don&#8217;t either – nobody is that articulate. Your own essay contained multiple errors, which I would only have noticed and which only would have mattered to me had I wanted to be hypersensitive about it, as you were with the students. That you even brought the grammar up was a low blow and a distracter from the students&#8217; very real and respectable points, as well as a testament to your lack of actual evidence to back up your heavy-handed allegations against a perfectly harmless and functional ritual in my high school.<br />
I look forward to hearing a response.</p>
<p>Respectfully,<br />
Carlos Lorant, Newton South High School Class of 2008</p>
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		<title>By: Warner Todd Huston</title>
		<link>http://www.therealitycheck.org/2008/04/13/if-you-feel-educated-you-are/#comment-2134</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 05:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for everyone's reply. I will give you what I just emailed to one of your fellow grads:

Certainly, I have no particular interest in tearing down (or building up, for that matter) Newton. I had no desire to claim it a "bad" school. In fact, I am sure that it is one of the better ones in the area. So, there is no spite against Newton in particular on my part. On the contrary, I only used Newton as a launching pad to excoriate our entire fetid systems of education in the whole country.

Now, I do realize that there is but a finite number of slots for kids to get into those good colleges out there. It is also a given that the kids at Newton who do not get a billet at the college of their choice aren't necessarily "failures" per se. Your getting in one place an not another is not necessarily a "failure" in and of itself. So, to that I can say that I was definitely too flip where it concerns college admissions. Since the admissions wasn't my main point I gave it short shrift, unfortunately.

But, here is what I wrote to one of your fellow Newton grads:

Our schools from top to bottom and east to west are garbage. If the "best" produces dunces of the highest status, they are STILL dunces. I have no respect whatever for our schools. They are execrable and we are fast becoming the laughing stock of the civilized world because of it. In fact, I am not so sure that getting a billet in our top universities even makes any sort of statement of intelligence. While there kids will be subjected to the worst sorts of unthinking garbage such as "women's studies," or "gay studies," they are hailed as "educated." Unfortunately, they are no such thing. When they leave college they are no better educated than a good 10th grader from 50 years ago. Often times less so.

You did summarize my main point about the fecklessness of our society and you were correct to note that this was my main theme.

So, mea culpa in certain ways are due from me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for everyone&#8217;s reply. I will give you what I just emailed to one of your fellow grads:</p>
<p>Certainly, I have no particular interest in tearing down (or building up, for that matter) Newton. I had no desire to claim it a &#8220;bad&#8221; school. In fact, I am sure that it is one of the better ones in the area. So, there is no spite against Newton in particular on my part. On the contrary, I only used Newton as a launching pad to excoriate our entire fetid systems of education in the whole country.</p>
<p>Now, I do realize that there is but a finite number of slots for kids to get into those good colleges out there. It is also a given that the kids at Newton who do not get a billet at the college of their choice aren&#8217;t necessarily &#8220;failures&#8221; per se. Your getting in one place an not another is not necessarily a &#8220;failure&#8221; in and of itself. So, to that I can say that I was definitely too flip where it concerns college admissions. Since the admissions wasn&#8217;t my main point I gave it short shrift, unfortunately.</p>
<p>But, here is what I wrote to one of your fellow Newton grads:</p>
<p>Our schools from top to bottom and east to west are garbage. If the &#8220;best&#8221; produces dunces of the highest status, they are STILL dunces. I have no respect whatever for our schools. They are execrable and we are fast becoming the laughing stock of the civilized world because of it. In fact, I am not so sure that getting a billet in our top universities even makes any sort of statement of intelligence. While there kids will be subjected to the worst sorts of unthinking garbage such as &#8220;women&#8217;s studies,&#8221; or &#8220;gay studies,&#8221; they are hailed as &#8220;educated.&#8221; Unfortunately, they are no such thing. When they leave college they are no better educated than a good 10th grader from 50 years ago. Often times less so.</p>
<p>You did summarize my main point about the fecklessness of our society and you were correct to note that this was my main theme.</p>
<p>So, mea culpa in certain ways are due from me.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorgeous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorgeous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-Georgiy, Newton South High School Class of 2008</description>
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		<title>By: Gorgeous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorgeous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking of ignoring this as is it is just a fairly harmless rant that has no real chance of accomplishing anything noteworthy, but this article left me too insulted and infuriated not to respond. I’ll start off by restating the facts mentioned by my classmate. Newton South High School is recognized as one of the best public schools in the nation. This has been consistently proven through the results of various standardized tests such as the MCAS, the SAT, and the ACT. While the national average on the SAT is roughly a 1,500 for example, the vast majority of South students are disappointed with anything less than a 2,000. I can go on and on about the school’s high academic standards, quality, and reputation but I’ll save you the trouble. South is regarded as one of the best public high schools in the country; let’s leave it at that.
Now with that out of the way, what gives you the right to insult the intelligence of my classmates and the quality of my high school? Judging a community of roughly 1,700 students based on a few quotes is just silly, if not completely asinine. It’s the same as me judging every conservative 45 year old from Illinois (unlike you, I do my research before I make assumptions) as a hate monger based on your article. As for the quotes themselves, to expect someone to use perfect grammar when speaking is absolutely ridiculous. An informal interview is very different from a formal essay. While I’m sure you always speak eloquently and elegantly, most of us find such unnecessary perfection rather comical. Besides, from looking at your myspace page, language is far from your strong point: “Oh, and Elivs just to tell him that he looks great in a Burger King uniform.” Your assumption that my classmate is poorly educated due to the omission of a word (a completely useless word in this situation by the way) is equivalent to my assumption that you are poorly educated due to your misspelling of the name “Elvis.”
As for the wall, well, it’s a nice way of laughing at ourselves. In case you haven’t heard, this has been the most competitive year for college admission in the history of the United States. A record number of students are applying to a record number of schools. I’m sure you can figure out that it is statistically impossible for everyone to get into everywhere, no matter how impressive their resumes look. Rejection hurts no matter what, and with college, rejection is inevitable. I got rejected from two of the eleven schools I applied to, for example. Although I got into my top three choices, both of those rejections left me incredibly disappointed. By putting my letters up on the wall, I was able to turn something negative into something positive. It was, as the Globe article stated, a form of therapy. I suppose I could have taken you’re advice and realized my “failure,” but I’m not sure as to what benefits that would have had for me. I know you have your own separate agenda, but please leave my classmates and my school out of it. Don’t you have some queermosexual you should be chasing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking of ignoring this as is it is just a fairly harmless rant that has no real chance of accomplishing anything noteworthy, but this article left me too insulted and infuriated not to respond. I’ll start off by restating the facts mentioned by my classmate. Newton South High School is recognized as one of the best public schools in the nation. This has been consistently proven through the results of various standardized tests such as the MCAS, the SAT, and the ACT. While the national average on the SAT is roughly a 1,500 for example, the vast majority of South students are disappointed with anything less than a 2,000. I can go on and on about the school’s high academic standards, quality, and reputation but I’ll save you the trouble. South is regarded as one of the best public high schools in the country; let’s leave it at that.<br />
Now with that out of the way, what gives you the right to insult the intelligence of my classmates and the quality of my high school? Judging a community of roughly 1,700 students based on a few quotes is just silly, if not completely asinine. It’s the same as me judging every conservative 45 year old from Illinois (unlike you, I do my research before I make assumptions) as a hate monger based on your article. As for the quotes themselves, to expect someone to use perfect grammar when speaking is absolutely ridiculous. An informal interview is very different from a formal essay. While I’m sure you always speak eloquently and elegantly, most of us find such unnecessary perfection rather comical. Besides, from looking at your myspace page, language is far from your strong point: “Oh, and Elivs just to tell him that he looks great in a Burger King uniform.” Your assumption that my classmate is poorly educated due to the omission of a word (a completely useless word in this situation by the way) is equivalent to my assumption that you are poorly educated due to your misspelling of the name “Elvis.”<br />
As for the wall, well, it’s a nice way of laughing at ourselves. In case you haven’t heard, this has been the most competitive year for college admission in the history of the United States. A record number of students are applying to a record number of schools. I’m sure you can figure out that it is statistically impossible for everyone to get into everywhere, no matter how impressive their resumes look. Rejection hurts no matter what, and with college, rejection is inevitable. I got rejected from two of the eleven schools I applied to, for example. Although I got into my top three choices, both of those rejections left me incredibly disappointed. By putting my letters up on the wall, I was able to turn something negative into something positive. It was, as the Globe article stated, a form of therapy. I suppose I could have taken you’re advice and realized my “failure,” but I’m not sure as to what benefits that would have had for me. I know you have your own separate agenda, but please leave my classmates and my school out of it. Don’t you have some queermosexual you should be chasing?</p>
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		<title>By: Alep</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 03:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Warner Todd Huston,

	I contemplated writing a long, point by point refutation of your article, Mr. Warner Todd Huston, but it's not really worth the time.  I have better things to do, and besides, Cliff wrote a nice response that you should take a look at.

Regardless, there are some things that should be addressed.  First of all, I can assure that there is, as Cliff has already said, nothing wrong with the education at Newton South.  I'm a senior, and I'd like to think that I've gotten a pretty good education at South--and you know what, Mr. Warner Todd Huston, my college decisions reflect the excellence of the teaching at South.  I haven't posted any rejection letters on the Wall, not because I am too busy wallowing in my shame or being punished for besmirching my family's honor, but because I don't have any rejection letters to staple to the wall.  I think it's fair to say that whatever Newton South has done, at least in my case, they've done it right. 

Secondly,  you wrote that posting their letters "won’t make those sought after colleges change their minads and it won’t pave the way to a better future, either."  You're right when you say that posting these letters won't make any of these colleges change their minds, but that was never the point of posting the rejection letters in the first place.  Despite your claims to the contrary, our "half sentient" students understand what rejection means; they know they can't change their decisions by putting a letter on a wall.  However, the latter half of your point is simply not true.  In posting their letters, students learn to deal and cope with disappointment; each of them learns how to get over a defeat and move on.  This knowledge will help students; it will pave the way to a better future and more successful future--or at least, a better future than if they had been, as you suggest, denounced by their school, or if they had attempted to hide their so-called failures.

To the students that have been rejected from some of their top choices, you write "you should be ashamed, not “defiant” – except where that defiance might spur you on to greater effort. Of course, that shame shouldn’t stop you from harder work and it shouldn’t be a cause for depression. But it is something that shouldn’t be brushed off as insignificant."  I can assure you that none of these students are brushing off their rejections as insignificant, and regardless, what would being ashamed do for any of these students.  It is completely illogical to assume that being ashamed and having your school "excoriate" you will be motivational in any way.  Rather, such a harsh (and unnecessary response) would simply make kids more afraid of failure and thus more afraid to try.  

Lastly, you made a rather obvious point of criticizing every student's grammar.  It's ridiculous to, as you have done, make assumptions about the intelligence of our entire nation's high school population based on the grammar of several teenager's casual conversation--not to mention petty and juvenille.  It is not the easiest thing to speak with perfect grammar all the time, while making sure to exude family values and piety.  You may say, of course, that these students should police their speech more carefully, that their grammatical errors reflect their troubling lack of education.  In that case, Mr. Warner Todd Huston, I ask you to look at YOUR writing.  I will display some samples:

"Its a scary walk, but the whistling does make one feel better despite the gravity of the situation."
Do you mean "It's a scary walk..." perhaps?

"It won’t make those sought after colleges change their minds and it won’t pave the way to a better future, either."
This is, unfortunately, a run-on sentence.  Two independent clauses must be joined by a comma and a conjunction.

Perhaps you might have taken the time to make sure you spelled Kellen Mandehr's name properly when you wrote, "Yes, Mr. Mandher got a “good feeling” but he still has no college acceptance letter."

I could go on, but frankly, it's not worth the time.  


Before I end this comment, I'd like to make one thing clear.  These students are already high achieving students at one of the best public high schools in the state.  They are not idiots, and they are not "belched out of Newton South."  There are students at our school with perfect SAT scores and national recognition for everything from creative writing to classical music to journalism; many of these students, despite all of their accomplishments, have been rejected.  The class of 2008 is the largest graduating class ever, and the kids who place their letters on the Wall of Shame recognize that a game of statistics and chance does not reflect on who they are or what they have accomplished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Warner Todd Huston,</p>
<p>	I contemplated writing a long, point by point refutation of your article, Mr. Warner Todd Huston, but it&#8217;s not really worth the time.  I have better things to do, and besides, Cliff wrote a nice response that you should take a look at.</p>
<p>Regardless, there are some things that should be addressed.  First of all, I can assure that there is, as Cliff has already said, nothing wrong with the education at Newton South.  I&#8217;m a senior, and I&#8217;d like to think that I&#8217;ve gotten a pretty good education at South&#8211;and you know what, Mr. Warner Todd Huston, my college decisions reflect the excellence of the teaching at South.  I haven&#8217;t posted any rejection letters on the Wall, not because I am too busy wallowing in my shame or being punished for besmirching my family&#8217;s honor, but because I don&#8217;t have any rejection letters to staple to the wall.  I think it&#8217;s fair to say that whatever Newton South has done, at least in my case, they&#8217;ve done it right. </p>
<p>Secondly,  you wrote that posting their letters &#8220;won’t make those sought after colleges change their minads and it won’t pave the way to a better future, either.&#8221;  You&#8217;re right when you say that posting these letters won&#8217;t make any of these colleges change their minds, but that was never the point of posting the rejection letters in the first place.  Despite your claims to the contrary, our &#8220;half sentient&#8221; students understand what rejection means; they know they can&#8217;t change their decisions by putting a letter on a wall.  However, the latter half of your point is simply not true.  In posting their letters, students learn to deal and cope with disappointment; each of them learns how to get over a defeat and move on.  This knowledge will help students; it will pave the way to a better future and more successful future&#8211;or at least, a better future than if they had been, as you suggest, denounced by their school, or if they had attempted to hide their so-called failures.</p>
<p>To the students that have been rejected from some of their top choices, you write &#8220;you should be ashamed, not “defiant” – except where that defiance might spur you on to greater effort. Of course, that shame shouldn’t stop you from harder work and it shouldn’t be a cause for depression. But it is something that shouldn’t be brushed off as insignificant.&#8221;  I can assure you that none of these students are brushing off their rejections as insignificant, and regardless, what would being ashamed do for any of these students.  It is completely illogical to assume that being ashamed and having your school &#8220;excoriate&#8221; you will be motivational in any way.  Rather, such a harsh (and unnecessary response) would simply make kids more afraid of failure and thus more afraid to try.  </p>
<p>Lastly, you made a rather obvious point of criticizing every student&#8217;s grammar.  It&#8217;s ridiculous to, as you have done, make assumptions about the intelligence of our entire nation&#8217;s high school population based on the grammar of several teenager&#8217;s casual conversation&#8211;not to mention petty and juvenille.  It is not the easiest thing to speak with perfect grammar all the time, while making sure to exude family values and piety.  You may say, of course, that these students should police their speech more carefully, that their grammatical errors reflect their troubling lack of education.  In that case, Mr. Warner Todd Huston, I ask you to look at YOUR writing.  I will display some samples:</p>
<p>&#8220;Its a scary walk, but the whistling does make one feel better despite the gravity of the situation.&#8221;<br />
Do you mean &#8220;It&#8217;s a scary walk&#8230;&#8221; perhaps?</p>
<p>&#8220;It won’t make those sought after colleges change their minds and it won’t pave the way to a better future, either.&#8221;<br />
This is, unfortunately, a run-on sentence.  Two independent clauses must be joined by a comma and a conjunction.</p>
<p>Perhaps you might have taken the time to make sure you spelled Kellen Mandehr&#8217;s name properly when you wrote, &#8220;Yes, Mr. Mandher got a “good feeling” but he still has no college acceptance letter.&#8221;</p>
<p>I could go on, but frankly, it&#8217;s not worth the time.  </p>
<p>Before I end this comment, I&#8217;d like to make one thing clear.  These students are already high achieving students at one of the best public high schools in the state.  They are not idiots, and they are not &#8220;belched out of Newton South.&#8221;  There are students at our school with perfect SAT scores and national recognition for everything from creative writing to classical music to journalism; many of these students, despite all of their accomplishments, have been rejected.  The class of 2008 is the largest graduating class ever, and the kids who place their letters on the Wall of Shame recognize that a game of statistics and chance does not reflect on who they are or what they have accomplished.</p>
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		<title>By: emolear</title>
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		<dc:creator>emolear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 02:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Huston, 

Reading this article makes me wonder what sort of sheltered life you have led. I don’t know what kind of reference group you used to prove your evidence against the students and faculty at Newton South, but I think it is foolhardy to claim that these students are unintelligent for applying to (and possibly getting rejected from) colleges. Take a step back and think about how many kids nationwide do not even think about applying to college—there, you will find, lies the real tragedy. It is despicable to reprimand a group of students who are fortunate enough to attend a school that urges them to apply to college at all. The vast majority of students leaving high school will terminate their education there.

The Wall of Shame at Newton South should be renamed the Wall of Acceptance by Rejection, but as you can see, that is too wordy. Those rejected from colleges are not ashamed to let other people know that they did not get exactly what they wanted. It is anything but a dismissal of failure—it is acknowledgement. It shows that they are okay with it, and refuse to stew in self-pity because of it. This is one way for students to have their moment of “shame” and move on.

You state in your opening paragraph, “We don’t want them to know or understand so much as we want them to ‘feel good’ about themselves.” Have you ever heard of emotional intelligence? Not only is it healthy to be aware of and pay attention to one’s emotions, it is intelligent to do so. To say that students should ignore their emotions is dehumanizing. People are not unfeeling robots; the spectrum of human emotion is incredibly complicated. It is certainly not something a healthy person can shove off to the side so he or she can get back to work.

If anything, the colleges that rejected Newton South’s intelligent, hard working, driven students are the ones who should feel ashamed. You, also, should feel ashamed for attacking high school students through the safety-net of the web in what you seem to believe is a well-executed, insightful article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Huston, </p>
<p>Reading this article makes me wonder what sort of sheltered life you have led. I don’t know what kind of reference group you used to prove your evidence against the students and faculty at Newton South, but I think it is foolhardy to claim that these students are unintelligent for applying to (and possibly getting rejected from) colleges. Take a step back and think about how many kids nationwide do not even think about applying to college—there, you will find, lies the real tragedy. It is despicable to reprimand a group of students who are fortunate enough to attend a school that urges them to apply to college at all. The vast majority of students leaving high school will terminate their education there.</p>
<p>The Wall of Shame at Newton South should be renamed the Wall of Acceptance by Rejection, but as you can see, that is too wordy. Those rejected from colleges are not ashamed to let other people know that they did not get exactly what they wanted. It is anything but a dismissal of failure—it is acknowledgement. It shows that they are okay with it, and refuse to stew in self-pity because of it. This is one way for students to have their moment of “shame” and move on.</p>
<p>You state in your opening paragraph, “We don’t want them to know or understand so much as we want them to ‘feel good’ about themselves.” Have you ever heard of emotional intelligence? Not only is it healthy to be aware of and pay attention to one’s emotions, it is intelligent to do so. To say that students should ignore their emotions is dehumanizing. People are not unfeeling robots; the spectrum of human emotion is incredibly complicated. It is certainly not something a healthy person can shove off to the side so he or she can get back to work.</p>
<p>If anything, the colleges that rejected Newton South’s intelligent, hard working, driven students are the ones who should feel ashamed. You, also, should feel ashamed for attacking high school students through the safety-net of the web in what you seem to believe is a well-executed, insightful article.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifbar</title>
		<link>http://www.therealitycheck.org/2008/04/13/if-you-feel-educated-you-are/#comment-2126</link>
		<dc:creator>Clifbar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I will agree that the Globe article and its portrayal of the Wall of Shame was a little on the touchy-feely side, I don't think that you're in any position to judge Newton South without knowing any of the facts.  
If you knew anything about Newton South, you would know that it's one of the top public high schools in this state, if not the country.  For a lot of kids, there's an intense pressure to succeed in school and go to a "good" college.  However, as anyone who understands simple mathematics should realize, there are simply not enough spots at all of these schools for all of the deserving applicants.  This year especially has been hailed as the toughest year ever for college admissions.  So, regardless of how hard a student works and how good their grades are, they're bound to get rejected from somewhere.  No matter how hard students are pushed they can't all have 2400's on their SAT's and 4.0 GPAs.  Not having these outstanding scores and grades is certainly not a mark of failure; neither is a rejection letter from the Ivy League or other top colleges and universities.  While going to a "good" college is certainly one mark of success, someone does not need to attend Harvard in order to be successful.  And no matter how any school may try, it is impossible for all of their students to reach this mark of success.  However, that does not mean that these kids are all failures.   Getting one or more rejection letters does not mean that Kellen didn’t get any acceptance letters.  Despite what you seem to believe, he can still go to college and live a successful and happy life.  How many people do you know that were accepted to every single college they applied to?
And I don’t think you have the right to insult my classmates’ intelligence and grammar skills based off of one short quote in a newspaper article.  While some of their quotes may not have been the best worded or most eloquent, they are still intelligent people.  There aren’t high-schoolers anywhere that speak with perfect grammar and diction every time they open their mouths.  The majority of this country (including our President) doesn’t even have these language skills you speak of.
Bringing this up as an indication of the quality of teaching at Newton South really is a low shot.  The majority of the teachers at Newton South are great teachers and their students learn a lot.  This is proven time and again by the scores that NS students receive on tests like the MCAS, SAT I’s, SAT II’s, and APs, as well as the top colleges they are admitted to.  
Before you judge the successes and failures of Newton South and its students, take a moment to learn the whole story and look at it in context.  Getting rejected from a college is not a good feeling for anyone, regardless of how hard they work or what college it was.  There’s nothing wrong with a hardworking and high-achieving group of high school students coming together and trying to support one another.

Cliff Bargar, Newton South Class of 2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I will agree that the Globe article and its portrayal of the Wall of Shame was a little on the touchy-feely side, I don&#8217;t think that you&#8217;re in any position to judge Newton South without knowing any of the facts.<br />
If you knew anything about Newton South, you would know that it&#8217;s one of the top public high schools in this state, if not the country.  For a lot of kids, there&#8217;s an intense pressure to succeed in school and go to a &#8220;good&#8221; college.  However, as anyone who understands simple mathematics should realize, there are simply not enough spots at all of these schools for all of the deserving applicants.  This year especially has been hailed as the toughest year ever for college admissions.  So, regardless of how hard a student works and how good their grades are, they&#8217;re bound to get rejected from somewhere.  No matter how hard students are pushed they can&#8217;t all have 2400&#8217;s on their SAT&#8217;s and 4.0 GPAs.  Not having these outstanding scores and grades is certainly not a mark of failure; neither is a rejection letter from the Ivy League or other top colleges and universities.  While going to a &#8220;good&#8221; college is certainly one mark of success, someone does not need to attend Harvard in order to be successful.  And no matter how any school may try, it is impossible for all of their students to reach this mark of success.  However, that does not mean that these kids are all failures.   Getting one or more rejection letters does not mean that Kellen didn’t get any acceptance letters.  Despite what you seem to believe, he can still go to college and live a successful and happy life.  How many people do you know that were accepted to every single college they applied to?<br />
And I don’t think you have the right to insult my classmates’ intelligence and grammar skills based off of one short quote in a newspaper article.  While some of their quotes may not have been the best worded or most eloquent, they are still intelligent people.  There aren’t high-schoolers anywhere that speak with perfect grammar and diction every time they open their mouths.  The majority of this country (including our President) doesn’t even have these language skills you speak of.<br />
Bringing this up as an indication of the quality of teaching at Newton South really is a low shot.  The majority of the teachers at Newton South are great teachers and their students learn a lot.  This is proven time and again by the scores that NS students receive on tests like the MCAS, SAT I’s, SAT II’s, and APs, as well as the top colleges they are admitted to.<br />
Before you judge the successes and failures of Newton South and its students, take a moment to learn the whole story and look at it in context.  Getting rejected from a college is not a good feeling for anyone, regardless of how hard they work or what college it was.  There’s nothing wrong with a hardworking and high-achieving group of high school students coming together and trying to support one another.</p>
<p>Cliff Bargar, Newton South Class of 2008</p>
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